CONVERSATION

Demi Lovato in Conversation With Sadhguru

Happiness, Motorcycles, and Aliens in 4D

Demi Lovato is an American singer, songwriter, and actor. With 114 million followers on Instagram, Demi is one of the most influential people on social media. Here are some snippets from their conversation with Sadhguru for the “4D with Demi Lovato” podcast.

How to Find Happiness?

Demi Lovato: How do you encourage someone to find happiness in their career, especially if it is hard work?

Sadhguru: No work is hard, unless you make it hard. If you do it joyfully, it is exciting. If you do it miserably, it is hard. If you are joyful, you will swim up and down twenty-five times. It is hard on your muscles, but it is not hard work. Your work can be hard only when you are doing something that you do not love. Someone was telling me that a good percentage of Americans hate their work.

If you are doing something that you hate for five days of the week, of course you will overdose on the weekend. You should not do that. This life is not about you making it hard and then having fun in the end.

Demi Lovato: We live in this world that teaches us that we have to work from paycheck to paycheck, and then some day, we will be happy.

Sadhguru: It is not about paycheck to paycheck. Right from kindergarten, you are taught that you must always be ahead of everyone else. In other words, your only joy is other people’s failures. If we do not change this, humanity will never find joy. Above all, no one can find joy in their work because there is no such thing. Both joy and misery can only happen within you.

The seat of your experience is within you, not out there. So it does not matter whether you sweep the floor or you are a rock star – if you are joyful, you can do everything joyfully. Work and activity are not joyful; nothing is joyful – only you can be joyful. If you are joyful, everything you do will be like that.

Talking to an Alien

Demi Lovato: You are described as a yogi, mystic, and visionary. Can you describe what a mystic is for people who may not know?

Sadhguru: Those who have made a mistake with their perception are mistakes. So much suffering happens because of that. If you perceive everything right, people will call you a mystic.

Demi Lovato: Wow. So, anyone could be a mystic?

Sadhguru: Of course.

Demi Lovato: Wow. I love that thinking.

Sadhguru: If it is so unattainable, that means I must be some kind of alien!

Demi Lovato: Speaking of aliens, do you believe in extraterrestrial beings?

Sadhguru: Well, I am talking to you! [Both laugh.]

Why a Motorcycle?

Demi Lovato: I would love to ask you about your relationship with motorcycles because I find it so fascinating. It is not every day that you see a yogi on a motorcycle. What drew you to motorcycles, and what did you learn from it?

Sadhguru: It is not the motorcycle per se – it is more about wanting to cover the maximum amount of the world in whichever way possible. The motorcycle was what is accessible to me. It is not about freedom; it is about the ropes that bind. Legs were ropes, so a bicycle became freedom. Once I saw a motorized bicycle, I naturally went for that. I crisscrossed India on my motorcycle at one time. But after that, things happened; when I was twenty-five, my individuality exploded, and I completely lost everything.

‍Why Three Dimensions Are Not Enough

Demi Lovato: My podcast is called “4D with Demi Lovato.” I guess I do not need to explain to you what 4D means.

Sadhguru: Anyone who thinks, “What I do not know cannot exist,” is a bloody fool. You might not have experienced the fourth dimension, but you know there is something beyond what you know – that is very important.

Demi Lovato: Yes, exactly.

Sadhguru: So that is 4D.

Demi Lovato: You said it perfect.

Sadhguru: I am saying this for all those people who might not have experienced anything beyond what they see, hear, smell, taste, and touch: do not ever think that what you do not know cannot exist. That is the crown of ignorance. Ignorance is not bad as long as you know you are ignorant. When you know that you do not know, your intelligence is constantly seeking. You cannot help it. It is not a choice, “I am going to become a seeker.” If you realize you do not know, everything within you will start seeking.

For all those people who might not have experienced anything beyond what they see, hear, smell, taste, and touch – do not ever think that what you do not know cannot exist.

So, it is good if you are in the fourth dimension. If you are in three dimensions, you must talk about the fourth dimension. If you are in the fourth dimension, you must talk about the fifth dimension. At least you are addressing that there is something more than what you know, and that is very important.

It is an acknowledgment of the limitations of what you know, so that your seeking and intelligence never sleeps. Your body may sleep because it needs sleep, but your intelligence, consciousness, and seeking need not sleep. Seeking eight hours a day is not going to work; you need twenty-four hours. You must be seeking all your life, otherwise your life will become very small. Most people are not even in three dimensions; they become just one – their thoughts and their emotions are everything.

‍Parting Words

Demi Lovato: Do you have any last words of wisdom for my audience?

Sadhguru: I am going to live for some more time. Why do you want me to say the last words right now?

Demi Lovato: You are right. You have a very good point. Never mind, we will have you back another time.